Chefs Group Discussions

Week 4:  Validity & Reliability
                          TOPIC: What is the difference between validity and reliability in your assessments? Why are
                          they important?

                          We all agreed that the validity and reliabilty are very difficult subjects for eductors to consider. It
                          is difficult to make sure that both of these are done, when we simply want to know if our
                          students are learning and how we can reteach if the students need help. It is also difficult it is to
                          create assessments that are both valid and reliable. It seems that reliability is the easier of the
                          two to consistently measure. There aren't as many weight issue involving reliability. It is easy to
                          see that a student is reliably doing well on tests assessing math skills. What is much harder to
                          see is if those tests are really assessing those specific math skill, if other factors are influencing
                          the score (i.e. reading skills) and whether their are any other consequences of the assessment.

                          Zan thought that reliability was one of the factors that individual teachers do have a control over!
                          Whether the test is too long/short, whether there are short stretching breaks in long tests,
                          whether a student got into a fight at recess before the test. Whether his mom got beat up by her
                          boyfriend last night. These are factors that the teacher should be aware of and take into
                          consideration when reviewing the results of the assessment.

                          We agreed that validity is what the standardize test makers should be concerned with, especially
                          the interpretation of the results of the tests. This occurs when results of ISAT and the IOWA
                          Basic test are sent back to us. We take the results, restructure our teaching and try for
                          different/better results next year.

                          These issues reminded Melissa of a recent news item. It seems that the winners of the
                          Scripps-Howard Spelling Bee in recent years have all been home-schooled. The news reports
                          made a big deal about this and it seemed to suggest that home-schooled students were
                          smarter/better educated then other students. The reporters are looking at reliability issues- these
                          student consistently win the spelling bee. But issues of validity, are ignored- are the students only
                          studying spelling in order to succeed at this contest and, as a consequence are lacking in other
                          skills and knowledge? Obviously, the reporters are not seriously studying all of the issues
                          involved with the spelling bee, but it does relate to the issues in this chapter.

                          Why are these issues so important? The most important reason is because we want to know
                          what our students are learning! We want to be able to say they can do this and why we can
                          prove it. If they can't do something, we want to be able to adjust so they can learn. Tammy
                          does not penalize students for misspelling words, grammar, etc. on questions on science tests.
                          The purpose of the test is to assess science content, not English skills. She tells her students not
                          to worry unless she can't tell what they are talking about. Zan thinks it is also important for
                          communication between teachers. We can help each other with this interpretation. We are
                          sharing right now!

                          Questions: how does guessing affect the validity of multiple choice tests? I might be a good
                          guesser, but still not know the material tested. Some tests penalize wrong answers, others don't.
                          How do these different ways of scoring change the validity of the test? And what about those
                          who guess the pattern in multiple choice test? Tammy remembers a student being disqualified
                          from winning a JETS competition in high school. She was always impressed that he had been
                          "smart enough" to figure out the pattern. Sure he was smart, but he wasn't being assessed on
                          finding the pattern.
                          The Cognitive Ability Tests that were recently given at Tammy school only had
                          one test form. Now that we am aware of reliability and validity, we wonder how this test would
                          rate.